GVK
Namaskar. Welcome To Honest Astrologer YouTube channel. And today I have a very very special guest. One of the senior astrologers who agreed to come on my channel when this was a very Chotu channel once upon a time. And he was kind enough to accept my invitation to come for a session on a very difficult topic and a topic which I personally struggle with. I have to admit that’s why I’ve called him the Master himself. So please welcome Sri Ek Dilip Kumar to discuss retrograde planets which is one of the most confusing phenomena in astrology. Sir, welcome. Such an honour to have you and thank you for agreeing to teach us. This is something which eludes me and I’m sure it eludes a lot of astrologers. So it’s a blessing to have you agree to this interview. And I remember when we first started to do this it was Mercury retrograde and we had to change our plan. So finally it’s such an honour to have you here, sir. Such a blessing. The channel is yours, the platform is yours. Please.
GUEST
Thank you so much sir.
GVK
The first question is what’s a retrograde planet and how does this phenomena occur?
GUEST
Whenever we say retrograde, two Grahas are always retrograde, right? Rahu and Ketu always retrograde. If you take the mean, yes, it is always retrograde. And then sun and Moon are never retrograde.
GVK
Yes.
GUEST
So we, we only have the remaining Grahas where there is a possibility of a retrograde motion. Now why this retrograde happens is because of the way, you know, our orbits are like for example the Mercury orbit. If you take, let’s say we’ll start with the out outer planets like for example Mars. Okay. Mars is immediately adjacent to the Earth’s orbit. And luckily all the grass are going in the same direction only. So but because the orbit is slightly, you know, like for example for Mars, Mars has a obviously the larger orbit, right? So the way we catch up is very different in the sky. So for example we, Mars will be comparatively moving slower because it is in the outer orbit, right? So we’ll forget Venus and Mercury for the time being. And if I’m looking from Earth and if you, if you can draw the solar system and, and connect the lines from, from Earth. If I, if I keep looking at where Mars is, I only have reference as the stars on the background. I don’t have any other reference. Suppose I show something like this to you. You know, which is going where only by referring against the background. And this is the fact about astrology because when you’re saying planets and stars are, you know, at a unimaginable distance from us. So it’s not really the stars, but it’s only the planet portion. So the planet’s position, as you see from here and then you see something like, let’s say Ashwini Nakshatra on the background. And what will happen is because the Earth is actually crossing, because of its faster speed, it will temporarily appear that Mars is going backwards. So if you keep drawing lines with an imaginary, if you have something like an animation done, and there are plenty of animation in YouTube now we are in a very big advantage because of all these videos by astronomers, right? So you can actually watch it and see that the, the Earth moves forward. And so from Earth’s point of view, if you draw a straight line going right through Mars on the other side, if you see the stars, it’ll actually start looking like it’s going from Ashwini to Revati. And after some time when the Earth rotates like this, it hits one point. After that it will again appear to go forward. Okay. And it’s very predictable. The, the easy way of imagining this is you simply place outer planets. It’s very easy this way. This formula. Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. You, you. Where is the, where is the peak or the midpoint of a retrograde motion is straight one line cutting through like the sun, the Earth and that Graha. That’s all. It’s very simple. So it looks like when you have a moon opposite the sun, we call it full moon. So we could actually use the term full Jupiter, full Mars, full Saturn.
GVK
Wow. Never thought like that.
GUEST
Except yeah, you think because it is full. And that is the reason why the Maharishi, that is Maharishi Parashara, which is considered the foremost book, at least what we have now. Brihat Parashara Harashastra gives a full point in the Shadbala calculation. Take it full point. Why? It is in the same way that we will say it is all about light, right? And this light is coming from the Sun. So if you, if you understand this, it is like a full full Mars. But then if you have full Mars, like how in full moon, even before that the moon is already big. And even after some time the moon is still, you know, big enough. It doesn’t become small immediately. So you have an orb minus and plus of wherever the peak was, which is a straight line from sun cutting through Earth and then going straight to Mars or Jupiter or Saturn. So simple way, if you see at least outer planets opposite the sun without Even if it is not mentioned the horoscope, you can simply say it is retrograde.
GVK
Wow.
GUEST
Don’t need, you don’t need any software for that. But then we have the orb, you know, like from which point to which point it is. And surely we’ll be at the mercy of the software. But if it is straight opposite, no need for software. You simply say it is retrograde from this point. You know that when something is full in astrology, always it is like it is packed with karma. So there is some, something very strong about it. So that’s why they call it, you know, Shakta. Retrograde planet is Shakta. But what happened in. If you look at the Shad Marsh’s Parashar calculation runs to almost 40 pages in the, in the book.
GVK
Oh wow.
GUEST
And with such detailed calculations, when it comes to the Vakra status, he is able to, you know, make some differentiation in what kind of Vakra this is and then allot points accordingly. A true Vakra gets a full point because there is an intermediate something like it is still stationary and it is moving a little backward and it’s not picked up that regular speed of even going backwards. But all said and done, Vakra Graha is surely good because we know it is powerful. When I say good, then we have a confusion. Not because of retrograde, because astrology is like that where you cannot say anything good. Right. For example, if you say Venus is the best planet and Guru is the best planet, for some lagna, it becomes Maraka. Yeah. It becomes functionally malefic. And for, let’s say Sagittarius Ascendant Maharishi says just only one person is deadly as Venus. Right. He’s very clearly said. So we should not take it as controversial or a point of debate. We have to take a stance. But what happened was a little later on when more authors came in, they slightly, you know, because it was confusing, they created some rules and these ideas got in the way and then there, there was a lot of confusion regarding it. Okay, but it is always better to know in, in such in a certain way that the retrograde planet is trying to catch our attention. It is something special because it is not the normal thing. So something special about it. Maybe we should spend more time on what this Graha is to the person. And you know, in astrology if you say strong planet, we know it is bound to do what it wants. And weak is a suspicious whether he can really do it or not. So based on this and a comparison with who are good and who are bad. We can’t really come to a conclusion whether a retrograde planet is good or bad. The point is, for a particular person, you will not adjust it. I’ll give an example straight away. Suppose I say that Jupiter is definitely a good planet, right? Is is a designated good planet. And let’s say he is very strong, okay? Very strong in the chart. And then we say moreover, he is exalted, okay? With just one more point. And then maybe the sun is in Capricorn, in which case he becomes retrograde also. Now, even without any other, you know, bringing in facts like retrograde, you know, Jupiter is doing well here. If it is retrograde, you just reconfirm it that it is. This guy has come to get the reward. He has come to get the reward. So what for? Why did you, why did you go back? It is like you went back, give me my reward. Whereas if it was, if it was a negative thing, you should say, give me my punishment. So I think that, that, that makes sense anyway. Because see, I want. I want to look at the sky like a video when we are born. We are not looking at at it like a video. We are looking at it like as a photograph.
GVK
Yes.
GUEST
So in a photograph you don’t know how the planet got there at a particular point. It got there by direct motion, the regular direct motion. Or did it reach there by retrograde? There are two different things. Unfortunately we don’t imagine it like that. We only say, okay, it’s there. For example, let’s say a planet by retrograde even manages to cross a sign. Yes, it happens, right? You have to think, oh, this baby wanted that, that Graha only in this sign. And that’s why the retrograde itself is happening. So we can take it like that. So. But what we don’t understand is that we have an argument that Vakra is not real. Because we seem to understand the, you know, the solar system and say, which planet is going backwards? It’s not like a car, you know, it stops and goes back. All the Grahas are only going forward. So it’s not going backwards. Then the argument is, should we take it seriously? But for us, we are earth centred and we are I centred. It’s always me and I. What is it for me? What is it for me? So let’s not confuse ourselves, because already it is confusing. And on top of that, if you say this is apparent motion, don’t give it any importance. No, it’s not. Because so many rules have come up in Ayurveda calculation, longevity calculation, Whatever you are doing, suddenly the question comes up, is the planet Vakra? Multiply three times the number of years allotted to it and you get extra. So most probably the one who has many retrograde planets is going to live longer, at least by that calculation. So we have to take a stance. We will have to say that mostly it is good. Mostly it is good.
GVK
Yeah.
GUEST
If you, if you allow me to do a screen share, I have some, something that I always show to my students when I do some courses. I. Is it okay?
GVK
Yeah, yeah. Please go ahead. It’s your class.
GUEST
Okay. So this is the. Yeah, my level two classes. I use these things.
GVK
So thank you for sharing this.
GUEST
Okay. Okay, so first of all, retrogrades are rare. Okay. I’m not going to read out the entire thing because anyway it’s there. So usually I, I look at it as something rare. Okay. From this way I’ve taken up all these things. At least one point I’m making a U turn, I have a reason. Okay. At least that point you can consider as a very big thing. And then of course because I’ve used the word rare, the rest follows I’m rare and so on. So I’m saying I’m unique and so on. So it, it is agenda. Now you. We know that we have so many divisional charts and in a divisional chart a graha has reached a particular point only because it managed to retrograde and reach there.
GVK
Right?
GUEST
So every retrograde Graha, please give it more and more weightage in the divisional chart. Definitely you have to give more weightage because anyway, I’ll show some, some more slides then we will understand that. So here the topic is it is rare and therefore it is different and it is trying to tell us something more like how eclipse is rare and therefore eclipses are saying something extra. So whatever happens once in a while you have to give lot of importance. Amavasya is very important. Purnima is very important like that. The word Vakra is so, you know, there’s so many ways of looking at it. We say it is curving, it is twisting, it is turning and all that. But in, in South India at least when I consult people from Tamil Nadu etc, they’ll say, sir, what to do? Sir, my, this graha is, you know, this is retrograde. What should I do? Because in Tamil bakra means very bad. Okay? Because of this like you know, dishonest, fraudulent and you know.
GVK
Negative.
GUEST
Negative terms. Yeah, negative terms. And that as you know, is the reason why this went into so much of controversy. Because now so retrograde Grahas are very strong. When you make a car with five gears, you also put a reverse gear, right? And we really know what a reverse gear can do. When you are stuck in a traffic and you got, you got caught in a situation in parking places, you will see somebody park the car in such a way that unless you take rivers, you can’t get out. So there will be some karma which will be like, you have to go reverse and finish that and come back. Otherwise you will not be able to move forward. And you can keep looking at everything that goes backwards and then goes forward. So these are the hints like an arrow in the bow. In one of my videos, I actually have a bow and arrow in my hand and I pull and show just in case people don’t understand, I just show the arrow and say, see, this arrow is so quiet and it is unable to do anything. But whereas if I put it on this bow and pull it, see, it is now having all the capacity. So yeah, so retrograde Grahas is more intense. And when you read it, like for example in the western world so much you can see the last line. Mercury is the most famous retrograde planet, right? And even in our case also we said, okay, we’ll wait for Mercury. Sometimes there is sense because I mean, that’s how astrology is, right? So another thing very interesting for me was forgot something very important for the journey. So I go back to get it. I forgot my wallet, I forgot my passport and then I go back to the house and take it and then come back. So these are something like if you want to move forward, you can’t move forward until you go backwards. So there will be something matching up with our karma. So a retrograde Graha surely must be the owner of some house in every horoscope. So you must start imagining maybe there is something so strong about the houses that it rules and the house that is that it is placed because why did it want to reach there? Okay, then this question about is it real or unreal? Then I say that no, it’s always from our point of view. We are only going to talk about the universe from our point of view, right? Okay, so and here we. I have said Maharishi Parashara confirms it is very strong.
GVK
Yes.
GUEST
So surely it is. There’s no doubt. And it is chest. See, it is more about action more than something like, like a nature. So let’s, when we, when we discuss retrograde, let us not talk about nature type of in a character. Oh, this, this Jupiter is retrograde. So he’ll be like this and like that. Instead let’s talk about events. Like it should be more action because Jtabala is usually only related to the kinetic energy. It is not about somebody sitting and talking. It is somebody who’s, you know, in action. So I always thought Bakra Graha should be like, I’m in action more than you know. Yeah, yeah. So. So therefore, in predictive astrology we have now two things. One, we have the static horoscope, in which case it is permanently there. But then there is something called the transit. Yes. And in the transit, every time it goes backwards, something gets connected to what. What the. That particular Graham want, you know, wants to establish. So I always feel though in the basic chart that the natal chart we are pretty sure about, you know, that it is very favourable and so on. When it comes to timing events, I think Prashna system always uses retrograde the maximum. Because if you are asking a question, and let’s say the question is in such a way that the Prashna Lagna Jupiter is going backwards and Jupiter is the Lord of the seventh house. And there we take a different approach. You asked a question about marriage, we are saying, no, it won’t happen now at all. You will have to wait. Nothing is going to be, you know, firmed up until this Jupiter comes forward. So at least like that we can use. Whereas in the static horoscope we can only look at it, you know, once in a while. Because when is this planet retrograde? Or we can consider it as a synopsis. Why did you come? Just that is of the third paragraph. In the static we can use the information to get a synopsis view of life, maybe. See, because if you look at any horoscope in terms of past life and, and, and why and what is your main agenda here it is mostly going to be Rahu Ketu position. But if you use extend that idea, if you have a retrograde planet in the horoscope, maybe even that planet can be considered like Rahu and Ketu, but not in that way. Not that it is bad, but it is that they are the intention, like the Buddha always says, there is the. The Chetana which is the main reason for rebirth. Okay, I have a very strong intention and therefore, so you, you know so many things, like even in the ghost movie or whatever, you see that the person has been murdered and he wants to come back and then punish the person. So many things. So the intense intensity will be very high. So I would like to say when you’re looking at static, that is a natal horoscope is quite different from the transit effects actually when it comes to retrograde. I’ll show you a diagram which is. This is the how many days the retrograde Grahas are. You know, this is the main point. Sri Yukteswar, the Yogi says a child is born on that day and that hour. And the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with his individual karma. So in order to adjust the individual karma for this Satma, this particular planet has to be here and it will come backwards to prove the point. Okay, so this is the actual diagram which explains why it appears to go backwards. The line where it is a maximum, which is the midpoint of the retrograde is a 3. And where it is a 1 is where it starts. You can. You can imagine this. The. The. This. This particular Graha is actually Mars. Okay. This one is Mars and this one is obviously Earth. Okay. So you know from this that the Earth moves and also the mass moves. But if you. If you start connecting lines like this, you can easily understand why the. The retrogression actually happens. So it starts at one point and then there is a middle where it is direct opposition and it is equidistant on either side. Okay, so this is an apparent motion, but it is still reality.
GVK
So sir, you have already covered a lot of the questions in a educational context, so I will skip a few questions because you have answered them. My question is, let’s say one planet is retrograde. But when a planet is retrograde, we understand it packs a lot of karma. Is it good karma or is it always bad karma?
GUEST
So how to answer this? You, without bringing in retrogression, you finish off the, you know, the. The verdict. You don’t have to get confused with the how will you do it just for an ordinary Graha? So you finish the, you know, you confirm. You confirm whether it is good and bad in by using standard approach of whether it is good or bad. And once you finished with that, then you say moreover, this Graha is retrograde. And so surely that will happen. That’s all. This is the best way to come out of all the confusions, right?
GVK
Very, very, very clarifying. Now I will request you a few insights on the retrograde planets. And I would particularly want to you to emphasise on Shani and Mars Margarita we all know.
GUEST
Yeah, it’s very frequent. It happens three times a year.
GVK
Sir, sir, shall we start with the Mercury?
GUEST
Mercury? You want to start with Mercury? Okay.
GVK
What does retro Mercury signify and what are the blessings of curses of a Retro Mercury in a horoscope.
GUEST
So in this case, what we do, we take up the natural, the Karakatva of every Graha, what they signify. And you know, in the Kalapurusha, Mercury is also anyway the ruler of the third in Kap, which is Gemini. And therefore it’s so much communication. But we’ll have to generalise it because we can’t just talk about electronics this time, because this is because we are now in electronics age. What would have happened 100 years back, 500 years back and so on. So it’s basically, I think it is more to do with the standard things of Mercury, which is speech and communication in general. So if, if, let’s say that the Graha is maybe a functional benefit for maybe Taurus ascendant, and then it is retrograde and let’s say by luck, the person has got it in the third house. I’m just giving you an imaginary situation. So the third house is also a communication. And so Mercury, when it, when it is there, it will become so much of communication that the person, when they are very young itself, they will learn at least five languages because they were with literature and they were with all this communication thing. Sometimes they are singers, sometimes they talk very well. You can see some people are naturally gifted in memory matters and so on. So I know of a child who has a similar position, Mercury retrograde, but in a very auspicious house, at the age of six, she memorised the entire trukura.
GVK
Wow.
GUEST
So how do you explain that? Because this must have been a case of a past birth where the person must have worked on it so much that when, when she was born again, it just came back again to it. So we see that happening in so many of these, you know, like, so if you, if you give importance to the, the Karakatva, we don’t have to look any further that this must be the case. But then suppose it is the other way around. We are seeing that Mercury is in a bad shape in the chart though, retrograde, okay? Not just functional functionality, but let’s say it is in the sign of Mars and then we have one more affliction, one more affliction, then it might be now it is retrograde also. So therefore it might be actually a punishment because of, you know, maybe you spoke too much in your past life, you misguided people by communication, you promised them, like how politicians do, and, and you, you, you, you did something and then you messed up with people and so on. So this could be. So sometimes you can see If Mercury is afflicted, they’ll be stammering. So it will be like almost the system says, this time I won’t allow you to talk so easily. Yeah, so it can be that. So like this. If you are able to, you know, take the Karaka, you should be able to get all the answers. So for Mercury it is like this. But in, in today’s world, we, because we are using so much of computers and electronics and our mobile phone, it is usually this is not working, but actually it is not true. It is only that these things are helping us to communicate and our communication has to stop. The communication has to be delayed and that may be the reason. And even then it should be only a negative Mercury debilitated. That is, we have to first, you know, understand what it is and then say whether it is good or bad. But, so this is the standard way, astrology is always right. If you, if you want to know something about a planet, you need to know the Karakatva. Right?
GVK
Sir, I have heard a theory and there was a, you know, hint of it in your notes that a retro planet is like a retreating tiger.
GUEST
Yeah, correct.
GVK
Because it will take some, it will take some, it’ll take some. And after a point it is going to push forward.
GUEST
Yeah.
GVK
Okay, sir, so can we say hypothetically, a good Mercury will keep silent. Let’s say retro Burker is good, he’ll keep silent, he’ll keep reading, keep silent, keep reading. And nobody would suspect. But one day he ends up topping the exam.
GUEST
Very good, very good. We can say that. Yeah, they’re very quiet in the beginning, but they’re preparing. They’re preparing. Right.
GVK
One shouldn’t mess with the retro Mars, I guess.
GUEST
Yeah, they’d be ready to, you know, because Mars is a natural Karaka for enemy and the fighting spirit. So you might be, you know, somebody did this to me and this time I’m going to fight and maybe we might get injured also in that. So it is a possibility for Mars.
GVK
So Retro Venus, your thoughts on Retro Venus?
GUEST
Retro Venus is very important when it comes to relationship and we find this often that when there is a static potential in the horoscope for, let’s say, troubled marriage, and then Venus is retrograde. We have usually found that after the divorce, the person will say, I made a mistake, I want to go and patch up with the same person. It has happened so many times in my consultations. I noticed. And they’ll be so, so genuinely interested. Now I realise this is, this is a mistake. Can we patch up so that is very often the case when Venus is retrograde. But for. For that you must have ascertained that there is troubled marriage. If it is positive, Venus retrograde might be slightly different. It might be that this is the same person with whom you spend time in the past life also. And that is where it is good actually. So we are catching up again.
GVK
Maybe you were very simple before your marriage and after marriage you suddenly turned glamorous. Okay. Great. Mars sir. And this one I would request you to emphasise upon. Because this is something which I see frequently. And it can be dangerous if people don’t understand this one. Retrograde.
GUEST
Correct, Correct. Because the natural animal instinct in us will want to settle old scores from the past life. In terms of you did this to me, I want to do this back to you. We always have that habit. So Mars might represent that. Let’s say for a Taurus ascendant, Mars is already the seventh Lord and the twelfth Lord. And then if it is retrograde, let’s say in the house of enemy, then it can become. You always have this habit that I’ll take revenge. I’ll take revenge. Even the. The other sign of Mars, which is Scorpio is a sign of revenge. So if you. If you think about the way they will do it is they will. Because Mars is also a kind of a double edged thing. Because we have on one side mass is the police. And sometimes Mars is the. The. The thief or the murderer also. So we have to. We have to understand because sometimes the policeman will be like, I’ll one day arrest you. Like that. Okay, I’m coming back again. This time you managed to escape something like that. So you do find if Mars is Yoga Garaka. And then it is in this life you will catch up and punish the the wrongdoer. Okay. Whereas if it is negative, you might be on the receiving end.
GVK
So one thing I have noticed. I don’t know, I’m just still doing research on it. I’ve just picked up that thread. If there is a planet which is retro, it’s. I mean the rulership of that house would never rectify easily. This is what I’ve seen. I am being fourth Lord. Okay?
GUEST
Okay.
GVK
Whenever he buys property, there is always some problem.
GUEST
Okay? Got it.
GVK
Document will get loose, property, some wrong property will get approved. And after that he’ll fight his way out.
GUEST
In this case, I think you are referring to Makar Lagna, right? Capricorn. And we know Maharishi Parashara has termed Mars surprisingly as a maraka itself. And we do not know on what basis he even used the word maraka. So the maraka nature and then combining it with the. The fourth signification, which is the purchase of property, therefore retrograde can be delayed. Yeah.
GVK
So you can some sort of a correction required?
GUEST
Yes, Correct. Correct.
GVK
There is some sort of a correction involved in the Karakatva or the house placement of that planet. This is what I’ve seen.
GUEST
Exactly. So you can. You can bring. Bring them together. But let’s say how in practical life, how will the person solve a problem? He will go and bribe the officer in charge, you know, so again it will come back to, you know, paying back for something that you have messed up in the past life. So somebody will be there, you give me ext. Money only then I’ll finish the deal and so on we will get. We will have to go through that. So something has to be lost to obtain it in case of sin.
GVK
Sir, one thing which I’ve often heard people say I have a retro mar. Somebody told me I’ll get into an accident. How true is that?
GUEST
No, no, that is not correct. Because unless you have so many indications in the horoscope, actually without even considering retrograde, you must first ascertain whether there is the possibility of accident. Like usually fourth Lord, the six is a surefire rule for accidents. Okay, we can take like that. If it is there and then on top of that, Mars is also. Because Mars is a kind of a gadget and it is a machinery. It is something that we have fabricated. So it’s like our regular machines. So obviously vehicle is a machine and it is also injury, it’s also weapon. So the. The vehicle could have become like a weapon and you know, damage the person’s physical. So it is possible. But without. Without ascertaining it the overall chart, we cannot use simple ideas like no, it is Bakra. Then therefore it will surely do it.
GVK
Blanket prediction. Okay?
GUEST
Correct.
GVK
Sir, Is there any particular house where retro planets do well? Or is it just as per the nature of the planet? And you just amplify.
GUEST
Yes sir. Yes sir. Because I’ll tell you what is a clue. Think about it like this. In Par. In Br. Parashadvarshatra bphs, you go through the entire book. He has not changed the actual. He has not given weightage to the prediction side just because a planet is retrograde. He has not done that at all. The only place he used was of course in Shadballa calculation. He says it is more powerful Shakta and all that we discussed. And then there Is something called the Drakana rule where he said if they are in the beginning sign beginning Drekana. The first Drakana. The result of a planet will come always in the first one third of its dasha. But if it is retrograde, he says just reverse it. If it is retrograde, you just reverse it. Yeah. So like that. In the middle. You say it is in the middle and so on. So that is the only place when you go through Dasha and Dasha Adyayaya. The good and bad. You know, the bad dashas. All the logics. Why is it that he has not used even one question whether a Graha is retrograde? He has not used it at all. He has even used conditions like is it exalted in navamsa? Of course. Combustion. He has used. He has used. Is it in a bad position? From Lagna, from Dashanath. All this and it. You cannot dismiss it off by saying. No, no. Maybe he. He just forgot to say. Because if you look entire all the chapters. 9. 9 major chapters for the 9 Grahas Antardasha is 9. 9 into 9. 81 sets of data. Not once had he asked retrograde. So it is. Surely we’ll have to say. We are not going to change the prediction because of retrograde. We are only going to. Like for example, you said there could be delay because he is not able to. You know, he’s not able to achieve it. Because we already determined that it is a bad planet for that Lucknow.
GVK
Yeah. So would it be safe, sir, to say that the planet is powerful but complicated, Correct?
GUEST
Yes, definitely.
GVK
All right. Great. Now going to Jupiter, the happy planet. Retrograde.
GUEST
So Jupiter. There are so many nice things. Because Jupiter, luckily for us, rules many good things. So he rules the money, right? Is a Dhanakaraka. So we have that. And then is the. The celebration. Graham. Because when children are born we all celebrate. So usually for all the good things in our life. He is the Karaka, right? He’s a karaka for the 11th House. It’s almost opposite Saturn. Right. So whatever problems you may have with Saturn in the horoscope, a retrograde Jupiter might be a strong Graha to fight that. Okay, Definitely. So for example, if you. I think there was only some confusion in the modern research that if you refer to Mark Boney who has produced a lot of books on an astrology, he says only when it comes to medical astrology, retrograde Jupiter is bad. Okay. Or I think he went. He. He is hinting at that. That Jupiter will not help because it is going backwards. That’s the only point. Whereas in, in modern research or even in the ancient books we know that the Jupiter is the. Even in Nadi textbooks you will find all the formula good happens Jupiter transit only Jupiter is the reason. Right? So if such a wonderful Jupiter is retrograde most probably 80% of the time it should be good only for anybody.
GVK
It might take a little time but will give a bumper result.
GUEST
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. Like because in the time that you pull the arrow you’re losing time, right? You lose time there but then you need to do that. So some, some, some things are like that. So to a typical case would be you go to a bank and they, they delay the, the, the loan for quite some time. And once you get the loan you become a billionaire. Okay so in the beginning there will be some delay.
GVK
All right sir, the big one. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
GUEST
Yes. So as I again we will have to you know think about what is the promise in the horoscope. I’ll give you a very very big example. When, when already the person has combination for imprisonment and Saturn in the sky gets retrograde. Okay. Not, not static I’m saying and in a particular bad dasha and Antardasha combination already everything is brewing up. You know, the, the, the, the the the the it is coming to a finalisation at that time when the verdict comes if Saturn is retrograde, surely the judge is going to give a long term sentence. It will surely be that. O so we can, we can look at Saturn as a real, you know, like, like yeah, punishment Graha and is definitely the, the loss Karaka, right? The lost Karaka or all of the 12th house, whatever imprisonment. So but I also found people kind of renounced life if Saturn is retrograde in the horoscope and Saturn was actually positive in the chart. So they suddenly thought there’s no point with all this life. So let me do a lot of charity and I want to say I want to give everything up. So they do what is called the sacrifices and you know, they’ll be at a very large scale sacrifice like public social welfare and so on. And then by that he might also become famous. So they might be in what they say, you know, not, not all the time but at least genuine Swamijis of you know, the times when you, you start an ashram and you have a lot of fan following because Saturn is also fan following. Okay, yeah, Saturn is the fan following Graha. Because Saturn is the attraction, you know, because in the sky if you look at Saturn, he’s very attractive. Oh yes, because he has a beautiful ring around him. And you know, when I heard that the rings won’t last for long, I said how many years? They said some million years ahead, you know, only after that it will go. So I’m not bothered about that. Still. Very, very beautiful. Very beautiful. Right? So yes, Saturn is definitely a mass planet. And in today’s world of democracy, Saturn, if some politician has Saturn well placed and Bakra in the, let’s say 10th house, you will have so much fan following, so much of people behind him.
GVK
I have never seen a common man with a 10,000. It’s always some big shot.
GUEST
Yeah, that’s very nice.
GVK
Ministers, I’ve seen bureaucrats.
GUEST
Yeah.
GVK
The Titan, for some reason Shani just rules the 10,000.
GUEST
That is because in the Kalapurusha chakra itself Saturn is in who knows if he plays it in the 10th, right? So he primarily a well placed Saturn will be just the opposite of its karaka. If it is imprisonment and if it is nashtra which is V, it will be just the opposite, it will be a giver. In Tam we have the saying, if Saturn gives, who can block? In tam they say Shani K. Who can block if he is the one who is giving?
GVK
So sorry, I just missed this one. Yeah, Sunny, in the 12th a person becomes a giver. Is it?
GUEST
No, no, no, wait, we have a confusion there. It is not, not like that. If it is a very nice graha, it is designated good planet. And then if it is in the 12th, it will be like he will be doing lot of charity. But if it is not, and then it is in the 12th, it will be a life of suffering. He will feel imprisoned and he will, you know, he’ll be restricted and he won’t actually enjoy life at all. There will be a lot of sleeplessness, the last phases of his life because 12th house is the last phase. He will be diseased and might unfortunately have to go through, you know, some terminal disease. So I got the clue by referring to some philosophical books and spiritual books where if you are heavily punished, it might actually square up all some of the biggest big chunks of past life problems. So Saturn might be the one which holds that. But while the person is going through the trouble, you can’t tell. Good, good. You are having all this trouble because your karma is getting, your karma is getting washed out. You know, we will be, we will become the hated astrologer if you make such statements like this is good for you. But personally sometimes you know, you can take it upon yourself. Like for example, if I have headache, I. I keep the tablet which is a painkiller in my pocket and walk around. I’ll say, let me see how, how much can I endure this pain? Let it come. It’s okay. I’ll manage at least this much. And then whenever I’m cornered, I will use the tablet. But usually the case is after some time the pain goes away. So it’s all about patience also. But Saturn is very tricky. Vakra. Saturn in the 12th with Affliction by Rahu is one of the main reasons for helplessness and imprisonment. To them we say, why don’t you get imprisoned? Meaning why don’t you go into meditation? Why don’t you, you know, to get in an ashram and spend more time. I think in Andhra Pradesh they have an option where you. You pay money. They’ll give you one one day. You can stay in the jail.
GVK
Serious?
GUEST
Yeah. Serious? Yeah. You can, you can make the payment and get inside and stay there. If you want to know what it is, you know.
GVK
Excellent.
GUEST
Yeah.
GVK
Now coming to this thing, what are some remedies that you would suggest for a particularly retrograde planets? We all know the regular remedies and you have suggested many of them. You have also suggested in your videos how to make those remedies. So that was one particular video I totally loved.
GUEST
So when it is retrograde because the intention is so high, we need to find out what is the intention from the horoscope and say you don’t have to be so much. If it is negative, you have to tell them, let’s come down to the Shanti level. Let’s not be so much agitated. See for example, if you have on 1:7 axis Rahu, Ketu and then Saturn retrograde, obviously the sun might be in the opposite side and then it might be an eclipse as well. They’ll be always angry and hell bent on punishing the spouse. I know of a person who even after the divorce happened, in the consultation he’ll always ask, do you now think that my wife will pass away? She’s not even in your life. Why are you bothered about her? No, no sir, I want her. Something has to happen to her. So you’re revisiting that. So by ascertaining what you are revisiting, what is your intention? A good guru will say, please drop it, move ahead in life. You don’t have to keep thinking on this. It’s over. You don’t have to be so revengeful because it’s only going to destroy you, because revenge comes along with it comes anger. And these are all designated emotions to destroy us. It’s only going to make our life miserable. More bad or even before you get into just a special remedy for retrograde planet, first of all, when you ask this question, what is the remedy for retrograde planet? Now we are assuming that retrograde plans are always bad, right? So first 50, 50 based on the planet, sometimes you don’t need, you don’t need remedies at all. Okay, we don’t need remedies because it’s already going to do well. But you have the other side where it might be punishment, that is, that is whatever. Yeah, that in that punishment area you say, find out all the things about the overall chart, where is the pressure? And you have to teach them. So this is not the way the, the, the Dharma says that this is how you live. Okay, So I have always kept a, I always gave a lot of importance too. If you want to say something so strongly in its divisional chart, that is, you already have something happening in the fourth house, retrograde planet afflicted. And when I ask them, they themselves will admit that the only enemy in my life is my mother, please. But then it is only an attempt because the person will say, no, sir, I still have to teach her a lesson. So it’s very difficult to convince people into a remedy. And remedies are usually attitude changing. And usually meditation is the key to forget, you know, something that you carried forward from your past lives. It’s very, you know, that is what the Buddha also kept saying again and again. So it is better to join a very good ashram where they teach you the real, you know, the Patanjali meditation. And you go into the meditative state and start forgiving, making confessions like for example, pitru dosha. And then you have on top of that a mars retrograde on the ninth house, the season. Now pitru Paksha, they can do, maybe go to Gaia and Kashi and do the, the, all the, the rituals there. So like that depending upon what was originally there in the horoscope. And then it is retrograde and you also see a lot of trouble in that life. You know, that area of your life, it is better. It’s like saying, please do it. You got no choice because it is retrograde. Also it is implying this so strongly.
GVK
In Hindi we say, you can do it laughing or you can do it crying. You have to do it.
GUEST
Correct, Correct. Correct. Exactly. Oh, you’re very happy with your language, right? So.
GVK
I, I do tend To I have a first house Mercury so I have a little colourful language.
GUEST
Oh, you have mercury in the first. That is a typical combination for an astrologer. Right. Sage Brighu in Brigasutram says if mercury is in the lagna the person can become a very good astrologer.
GVK
It’s such an honour sir. Any, any concluding remarks you could give? I mean this is one of the best videos I have seen about retrograde ever and I’m so happy to be a part of this. Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge. Any concluding comments you have, anything you would like to advise our viewers?
GUEST
Okay, we have, because the, the subject of astrology is now expanding all over the world and we have lots of, you know, some differences between authors. Right. So and these have, have actually made it more difficult for all of us because then we can’t conclude because as it is it’s so it’s such a, you know, very difficult science.
GVK
Oh yeah.
GUEST
So we need to standardise and come to one, you know, let’s not keep on going back and forth. Retrograde planet which is debilitated, you know, like the, and, and keep arguing because finally what do we, what will we gain from it? Okay, this is one second. We should do more case studies to prove what we are saying. Absolutely yes. Because if you are only going to talk theoretically, what is the point? You can always talk either way. If I ask, if I ask the question, is Gandhi good or Gandhi bad? Mahatma Gandhi. We can go endlessly with it, right? But then it will not serve the purpose. Whereas we can say I will take up the, the good side of Mahatma Gandhi and I will use it in my life. That’s all. I’m not bothered about other things. So suppose if we come to this stance and we want to really firm up. How will you firm up without case studies? So you have case studies and case studies you should try to link it up with the Dasha and Antardasha because that nails everything. Why is it happening only now? Is it a very general prediction we are giving or is it something so strongly connected to whatever we are talking? See, we are talking about this and it happened at that time. Exactly. Only in that period it happened. See I, I, I know of a person who, who, who remarried his ex wife.
GVK
Wow.
GUEST
And when I checked the Dasha Nantar Dasha it was def. It was the same retrograde planet which did it. So if you, if you know like this then you will say no. Who knows whether that marriage is going to be good or not. See These are all again and again not allowing us to firm up. But when we say no, I’m, I’m sure at least people’s life experience should, should be the final word. It should not be our theoretical explanation. Suppose Maharishi says, Fifth Lord in the 12th, adopt a child. Okay, Example. And you know, there was a time when I saw a husband, wife, both having fifth lord in the 12th. Wait a minute. Something like that. Oh, I think fifth one, the sixth. It was so fifth round, the six afflicted. Okay. And there was malefics in fifth. It was identical type, but they were born at different times. 11 years, no children. Okay. Then I told them, don’t wait, don’t go for doctors. You simply adopt a child. Because I showed the text, what is the Maharishi saying? Adopt a child. But if you start looking at another way, everybody having fifth thought in the sixth, not having children. No, that’s not true. But when it is this way, then it is proven that it is coming from Karma. Because Maharishi is only discussing karma. So, like that we will have to show the proof of. If you say a debilitated planet is retrograde, it acts like a exalted planet. Let’s prove it is something happening in that. Andhardasha. But, but the problem here is retrograde planet anyway will tend to become stronger. So at least in this case it will be different. So, but if it is debilitated and retrograde, exalted and retrograde, that must be a very big difference in that. So we need to show the proof. That’s what I’m thinking. So that was the point. I, I would like to say, let’s try to. Whenever anybody writes on this subject, let them write with 10 horoscopes. Yeah, 10 horoscopes. And say, see, in this period this happened. Like if you’re a professional astrologer, you’ll have to, you know, document every time something impresses you so that after five years you can come up with a nice set of, you know, data and publish it and then prove the point. And slowly I think we will all get to the truth about these things.
GVK
In my corporate days, I was trained on something known as Six Sigma. I’m sure you have come from an engineering background, you know, and I found that approach very useful. Start with the null hypothesis.
GUEST
Correct.
GVK
Start with your own hypothesis.
GUEST
Correct.
GVK
If it’s repeatable, reproducible, it works. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. No matter what.
GUEST
Exactly. Beautiful.
GVK
Great. Great. Sir, what a discussion. Sir, what an honour. And I will not take a lot of your time. It’s Sunday evening. I will definitely let you go. But in next three to six months I might come back with to you with folded hands. So please grace this fan of yours. Thank you so much. Such an honour. Honoured.
GUEST
You’re such a nice person. Though the moustache is trying to tell us something else.
GVK
Yeah.
GUEST
Yeah. Okay.
GVK
Thank you so much.
GUEST
Your. Your genuine efforts in giving more clarity to astrology is actually, you know, it’s laudable and I wish you all the best in all your future endeavours with astrology.
GVK
Thank you, sir. Coming from you, it’s a blessing and an honour.
GUEST
Goodbye.